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TO:allisjames-- DUHYour post is classic of skirt the issues Jehovah's Witnesses troll mealymouthing.You are trying to paint victims as wimps upset because they can't have a birthday party.What's wrong with the Watchtower cult is their family busting death and destructive dogmas.This is why followers become embittered and leave.The Watchtower religion is from the devil.Do you dig it?
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Wow. I must say this is like driving past an accident. You don't want to look, but you just do. Most of the comments sound like petulant children, sniveling because they didn't get their way. They seem empty. It makes me remember in school that there was a girl that we weren't supposed to be around (says other peers) because she smelled (which she didn't, of course). So, we all said she smelled bad. Was it true? No. Was it convenient and misinformed and blatantly against her for no reason? Yup. I am ashamed of myself and I am ashamed for all of you who keep calling the JW's a cult. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Would Catholics be a cult too since they kiss the Pope's ring? Or Mormons? Don't they follow Joseph Smith? Like I said... Jackasses.Love, Me
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T0: "Trachelizo" what kinda Jehovah Witness gobbledygook U speaking man did you get this esoteric insight from a watchtower rag-----""The caliber of those who use explicit language to express the depth of their character and integrity is self-explanatory.."" Trachelizo
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i grew up in a jehovah's witness family and i believe standing out a bit for being different can build character and help you grow as an individual. there are all sorts of reasons kids are different;religion, skin color, disabilities..people rise above and it makes them who they are. every society has standards and rules that need to be followed--the speed limit is 55, drive on the right side of the road...do these rules mean we will be ruined and held back because we can't go 100mph thru a school zone or drive on the sidewalks?.. think about it!so you decide that being a jehovah's witness isn't for you, that's fine..but it is a definite misconception that anyone is kicked out of the congregation for just having drinks with coworkers..this sort of inflammatory and extreme exaggeration is silly.i grew up under the same rules and i turned out just fine!!! i have no complaints-i am a moral, responsible, kind and loving individual and thats what i learned from my jehovah's witness family.i even had a family member who was disfellowshipped for a time and i understood that it was for the benefit of making that one realize that they had stepped outside of God's arrangement for what is proper and good and also to keep a bad influence from affecting those trying to live by God's laws. anytime one wants to live according to these standards they are welcomed back into the congregation. in our country if someone breaks a law(murder, theft) we take them out of the populous to rehabilitate and protect the general populous--it is the same principle..
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Nobody wrecks families as badly as the f**ing Watchtower cult.They want to control you or ruin you.Look what they did to Michael Jackson!
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From poster "sunshine" above: people rise above and it makes them who they are.While this may be true, why subject children to so much dysfunction that they have to struggle their whole lives to overcome? Growing up in a toxic religion is the same as growing up in an alcohol-controlled household. The cost in future dysfunction and emotional problems is so not worth the price. I ought to know, these broken people come to me for therapy when they reach adulthood--those who make it, that is.
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Children are abused in many ways as JWs, please note the issue of sexual abuse in the religion at www.silentlambs.org
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The Watchtower religion has been accused of being exploitative of minorities.Indeed look around,observe the disproportionate number of brothers.The Watchtower run mostly by old white guys is not discriminatory at all.THEY WILL TAKE ANYBODY'S MONEY $$$$$
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The following is how former cult members and members of spiritually abusive systems described how they felt when they finally left their group. This may give you some insight into their pain and why there are no easy answers for them. "IT HURTS"IT HURTS to discover you were deceived - that what you thought was the "one true religion," the "path to total fredom," or "truth" was in reality a cult. IT HURTS when you learn that people you trusted implicitly - whom you were taught not to question - were "pulling the wool over your eyes" albeit unwittingly. IT HURTS when you learn that those you were taught were your "enemies" were telling the truth after all -- but you had been told they were liars, deceivers, repressive, satanic etc and not to listen to them. IT HURTS when you know your faith in God hasn't changed - only your trust in an organization - yet you are accused of apostasy, being a trouble maker, a "Judas". It hurts even more when it is your family and friends making these accusations. IT HURTS to realize their love and acceptance was conditional on you remaining a member of good standing. This cuts so deeply you try and suppress it. All you want to do is forget - but how can you forget your family and friends? IT HURTS to see the looks of hatred coming from the faces of those you love - to hear the deafening silence when you try and talk to them. It cuts deeply when you try and give your child a hug and they stand like a statue, pretending you aren't there. It stabs like a knife when you know your spouse looks upon you as demonised and teaches your children to hate you. IT HURTS to know you must start all over again. You feel you have wasted so much time. You feel betrayed, disillusioned, suspicious of everyone including family, friends and other former members. IT HURTS when you find yourself feeling guilty or ashamed of what you were - even about leaving them. You feel depressed, confused, lonely. You find it difficult to make decisions. You don't know what to do with yourself because you have so much time on your hands now - yet you still feel guilty for spending time on recreation. IT HURTS when you feel as though you have lost touch with reality. You feel as though you are "floating" and wonder if you really are better off and long for the security you had in the organization and yet you know you cannot go back. IT HURTS when you feel you are all alone - that no one seems to understand what you are feeling. It hurts when you realize your self confidence and self worth are almost non-existent. IT HURTS when you have to front up to friends and family to hear their "I told you so" whether that statement is verbal or not. It makes you feel even more stupid than you already do - your confidence and self worth plummet even further. IT HURTS when you realize you gave up everything for the cult - your education, career, finances, time and energy - and now have to seek employment or restart your education. How do you explain all those missing years? IT HURTS because you know that even though you were deceived, you are responsible for being taken in. All that wasted time........ at least that is what it seems to you - wasted time. http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/
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For REAL information on Jehovah's Witnesses go tohttp://www.silentlambs.org
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Dear Online:No one called you a predator because you "waited" to pounce on the opportunity to use inflammatory comments to describe Jehovah's Witnesses. And I won't. 1 Peter 2:21-23 (ASV) states "For hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously" You may feel it is unfair that we have the same access to the Internet you do. You are free to believe what you wish, whether it be about going to heaven, Jesus or celebrating birthdays. These are religious BELIEFS. Many believe that sinners are going to burn in an eternal torment. Revilers are included in the group who will not inherit the Kingdom, according to 1 Cor 6: 9-10 "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Coming to your home to discuss the Bible or offer you Bible literature is no more trespassing than the Girl Scouts coming by to offer you the opportunity to buy cookies. You can simply refuse. Jehovah's Witnesses never ask anyone to "join up."No matter how thin a pancake is, it always has two sides.Trachelizo
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There are alot of misunderstanding about Jehovah's Witnesses and most of them come from either people who hear something negative and then classify it in their minds as fact or from people like Jeffrey, who have obviously become UnRULY in his conduct and therefore does not appreciate GOD's rules. The bible makes is clear that spiritual things cannot be understood much less appreciated by people who only view things froma physical persepective. So, if he wants to say that GOD's Rules are too strict for him, that is his choice, he's making the decision for himself and his children...it's no different that those of the past who refused to recognize our Creator's Right to Rule, where are they now? People that want to know the TRUTH about Christmas (Pagan Holiday) and Birthday Celebrations (only two examples in the Bible of such a celebration by Non-Christian Rulers) can go to the Library and check it out for themselves.The music, the money, the glamour...this is Satans World and he's Ruling your life Jeffrey (Rev. 12:9)Soon things will change and those appreciate the RULES of our Creator will benefit, those who don't won't. The only reason a person is disfellowshipped from any congregation is if he has committed a serious sin and does not repent or turn around from that course. That takes hunility and a love for Jah's Rules, not Ja Rules.
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A cult is, for those that insist on using the word incorrectly "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." One is free to leave Jehovah's Witnesses any time they see fit - and some have. Others will. For that matter, why should those so inclined even care if they might become disfellowshipped for wrongdoing since they don't like the tenants of the faith anyway. Because an immoral person is disfellowshipped doesn't make Jehovah's Witnesses cultists because they adhere to Bible counsel. Nor are Jehovah's Witnesses extremists, but rather live rather conventional lives. Shunning by Jehovah's Witnesses is certainly not a death sentence,as many have been welcomed back who recognized their ways were not compliant with clear Scriptural counsel on adhering to Bible standards. Clearly Mr. Haszard does not aspire to meet them. God desires that all repent and gain life. We are not comparing disfellowshipping to Catholic excommunication. Jehovah's Witnesses have clear Bible-based standards - including the mandate to disfellowship those who are unrepentant after engaging in conduct that the Bible condemns (1 Tim 1:8-11; 1 Cor 5:9-13). To use a human viewpoint to discredit what God requires does not phase honest-hearted truth seekers. God's ways are better, higher (Isa 55:8-9). It is true that humans make mistakes, even Jehovah's Witnesses, who DO NOT CLAIM INFALLIBILITY. I do not believe that your mother was told to treat you as dead. Those are your words. Your mother, if she is a Witness, must rue the day you started developing a hatred for other humans. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. It is a fact that many Witnesses, most, eschew fellowship with those who are disfellowshipped. That too is Bible-based (1 John 11; 2 Thess 3:6,14). Sorry you disagree with that Bible standard.No matter how thin a pancake is, it always has two sides.Trachelizo
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The Watchtower corporation (religion) is a black hole of plundering.They take...take member assets.There are up to a million elderly members with no retirement nest eggs because they put stock (faith) in the Watchtower's promise of Armageddon coming before they would ever grow old and need a retirement plan. Many of these 'old timers' never really took care of their long term health care like dental,diabetes,high blood pressure for the same apocalyptic mindset and now are in deep woe and some will die premature deaths.The 'other' religions do not pull this s**t with followers,the Watchtower cult is EVIL to the core.The very inception of JWs was based on Hate. They hate the world, they hate other religions, they hate everything about "this system of things."They are some of the most negative people on the planet. They can't stand the world or the people in it.They are a destructive cult who is anti-world, anti-society, anti anything positive. The watchtower Jehovah's Witnesses is a supremacist hate group who's very creed is that they alone are the 'meek who shall inherit the earth' ,death to outsiders.The known hate groups like the KKK don't even go that far. http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/
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SCAPEGOATING CULT In a word Jehovah's Witnesses are a *scapegoating* cult,they exist and thrive on a supremacist tyrannical doctrine they they are superior and the one true religion.They have NO tolerance for dissent Jehovah's Witness apologist falsely accuse anyone who has been victimized and defrauded by the Watchtower corporation as an embittered hate monger who is 'spreading hate'.The hypocrite Watchtower is a supremacist cult who hates anything worldly (non-Jehovah Witness) Don't shoot the messenger
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Ha! Ha! Ha!You guys are "drôle", Very funny...Ja R. is responsible for his own ruine, and he can't rap, he's weak weak wak!He's just like a 2 Pack/jimmy Dean type character and might end-up like them...There's more other Hip Hop Personality raised as JW in despite the fact they're cursing and promoting "street/ghetto like life-style" they 're not that exited and restless like He or DMX... It's just a character think, look at Biggie ( Mellow character) and his relation with his mom a devoted christian. Give them JW a break, Very funny,BP.
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I wish JA RULE would have been asked to speculate on why so many rappers are reared as Jehovah's Witnesses -- THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G., KRAYZIE BONE and posse, BUSTA RHYMES, DMX, K-OS, XZIBIT, plus many more up and coming artists. The WatchTower Society says that it only has a little over 1 million members out of the 305 million people in the U.S., which would seem to mean statistically that only 1 in 305 rappers should be JW connected, or that only 1 in 305 superstar rappers should be JW connected. Could it be that the harsh negatives about the WatchTower religion, pointed out by JA RULE, are destroying the childhoods of many, many more people than just JA RULE?How many children whose lives have been destroyed by the Jehovah's Witnesses deal with such in far less constructive fashions than turning to rap? Maybe someone should bring all these WatchTower reared celebrities together to form a foundation to aid and assist the other former JWs who were not able to turn their lemons into lemonade. Maybe people at Contact Music and similar responsible businesses can also provide help get this going.
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES 'R THE FAMILY WRECKERS OF THE WORLD The JWs are a cult because they try to cut you off from others who do not have the same beliefs, including family. The shunning by the Jehovah's Witnesses is considered a death sentence,it is more severe and practiced more widely than other churches. The Catholic excommunication is rarely done,and only means that you can't take communion for a while.When I was kicked out of the Jehovah's Witnesses for whistle-blowing on Watchtower corruption my own mother was ordered to 'treat me as dead'. See all cults like JW's have a shunning shame device to control membersEverything about the Watchtower's shunning protocol is twisted and demonic. The shunning by other religions for comparison is irrelevant as the Watchtower claims that it's disfellowshipping is at the direction of the holy spirit so it must be infallible.This is outright blaspheme.In just one year 1987 I calculated by the Watchtower's own stats that 4.4 men woman and children were disfellowshipped per hour as the world turned on it's axis. HOW TO "FADE OUT"http://atheism.about.com/od/jehovahswitnesses... Avoid Shunning Many Jehovah's Witnesses can't leave the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society --Danny Haszard Bangor Maine expert witness on the Jehovah's Witness
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Who are Jehovah’s Witnesses? No TOLERANCE,the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult because they try to cut you off from others who do not have the same beliefs, including family. Yes,you can ‘check out anytime you want but you can never leave’,because they can and will hold your family hostage. This is probably what makes the Jehovah's witnesses religion so controversial in that they: PROMISE YOU YOUR REWARD IN THE HERE AND NOW. Like holding out the proverbial carrot to the donkey the watchtower promises it's followers an impending new system paradise coming any minute you won't grow old you won't need to save for old age retirement. The other religions have the good sense to promise you your reward AFTER YOU DIE and nobody has ever come back from the dead and sued for breach of promise. When the watchtower is made to be held accountable for their false promises and defaults thay just go and disfellowship (kick out) those who dissent.Religions can get away with this any secular business that did this would get their leaders put in jail for fraud.The Watchtower religion has busted a million followers and there are lots of angry ex members who won't go quietly. It's FRAUD for GOD Thanks for letting me share this,Danny Haszard
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TRANSFUSION CONFUSION Simple fact-The Bible does not prohibit Blood transfusions.If you are bleeding to death it is more dangerous to refuse a blood transfusions than to take one. Bloodless surgeries are great if they can be elective.1/3rd of all trauma deaths are from blood loss. The Watchtower promotes and praises bloodless elective surgeries,this is a great advancement indeed.BUT it's no good to me if I am bleeding to death from a car crash and lose much of my blood volume and need EMERGENCY blood transfusion. Remember the Jehovah's Witnesses use thousands and thousands of pints of blood donated by others. The use 60% of the blood volume as broken down "fractions" then go on Bible thumping rants about how dangerous and sinful blood transfusions are. ( JW do allow organ transplants which has more risk than whole blood transfusions so their arguments of disease transmission is bogus)They are such HYPOCRITES!
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Trachelizo--you are under serious mind control by a cult but sadly cannot even see it. Even your words give you away in that you talk like every other cult member in this organization. It's called "Loading the Language" and it's one of Robert J Lifton's eight points of mind control.You shouldn't even be speaking with "apostates," should you (according to the Watchtower)? Since you are, it's obvious you aren't following Jehovah's rules either. What would an elder say if you told him you were on the internet doing this?You're right. Even a thin pancake has two sides and perhaps it is time you flip it and look at the other side. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but seriously think: What if the Watchtower is lying to YOU and so-called "apostates" are telling the truth? The biggest barrier to finding truth is believing you already have it.
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Mr. Anderson:While I agree there are pedophiles in every walk of life, including some who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses, US Senators and Representatives, school principals, coaches, priests, heathens, poor and wealthy - I am not naïve to the point I believe every contrivance claimed.Last year alone a case in the Midwest had a high school girl (age 16) charge one of her (male) teachers with trying to coerce her into a sexual liaison, including inappropriate touching and suggestive remarks. After a hearing (and her tearful testimony)- he was fired. Later it was learned that she made the story up because he had given her a failing grade. Granted, these may be isolated stories. However, do you believe all claims of child abuse should be accepted without proof? No matter how thin a pancake is, it always has two sides. If a child is abused, or there is pedophilia involved, like you, I believe the person proven guilty should receive the harshest of penalties - even legal execution. Maybe a little harsh in some eyes, but frankly, some children injured this way are beyond repair - they never recover.Thinkings persons do not slink around agreeing that such conduct needs to be hidden. On the other hand, to vilify wholesale every person not engaged in such activity just because they are a Witness is the same as condemning the apostles because Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ. Trachelizo
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I was raised by a JW mother, & there is no such thing as a cult within the organization. YOU ARE FREE 2 LEAVE WHEN EVER U WANT 2. You can’t do that if ur in a cult. And for people 2 say that the JW organization f**k up these Celebrities is BS. Yes, you don’t Celebrate Holidays such as Christmas & Birthdays; it’s not the end of the f**kin world. & Yes people are “disfellowshiped” for the simple fact that u have to practice what u preach, don’t say ur a follower of God & ur actions proves otherwise. I think it’s so Bitch Ass of Ja Rule to blame his JW grandparents for f**kin up his life that’s his fault, they raised him the best way they knew of. & the statement that his moms was kick out for havin drinks with co-workers is BS, u don’t get “disfellowship” for something so petty (u are allowed 2 drink). I will never BLAME or BASH my mother for the way that she raised me.
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Mr. Watters:Surely you realize..... no matter how thin a pancake is, it always has two sides. The caliber of those who use explicit language to express the depth of their character and integrity is self-explanatory. My guess is that your story also has another side - there is never an exception. Trachelizo
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I was born raised a Jehovah's Witness and of course we did not do holidays.The real reason is the Watchtower leaders want us to be 'different' for the sake of being different.Jehovah's Witnesses are not 'happier' and are just as dysfunctional as families who do holidays.Jesus was not born on Dec 25th BUT he also did not have his second coming in the month of October 1914,which is the CORE doctrine of the Watchtower religion.They are just a cult!
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I wish JA RULE would have been asked to speculate on why so many rappers are reared as Jehovah's Witnesses -- THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G., KRAYZIE BONE and posse, BUSTA RHYMES, DMX, K-OS, XZIBIT, plus many more up and coming artists.The WatchTower Society says that it only has a little over 1 million members out of the 305 million people in the U.S., which would seem to mean statistically that only 1 in 305 rappers should be JW connected, or that only 1 in 305 superstar rappers should be JW connected.Could it be that the harsh negatives about the WatchTower religion, pointed out by JA RULE, are destroying the childhoods of many, many more people than just JA RULE?How many children whose lives have been destroyed by the Jehovah's Witnesses deal with such in far less constructive fashions than turning to rap?Maybe someone should bring all these WatchTower reared celebrities together to form a foundation to aid and assist the other former JWs who were not able to turn their lemons into lemonade.Maybe people at Contact Music and similar venues can also help get this going.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are Fraud for GodJehovah's Witnesses are an arrogant self promoting cult from the get-go they will not take NO for an answer.Don't let them recruit your loved ones.
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Jehovah's Witnesses abuse children of all ages!The Jehovah's Witnesses church has a serious situation of child abuse and criminal pedophilia.This is worsened by their subterfuge "two witness" demand of evidence.Jehovah's Witnesses and the general public need to be warned about the Watchtower's two-witness policy for sexual abuse! It is destroying children's lives. Sexual Abuse and Child Abuse Among Jehovah's Witnesses http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/index.htm
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For real-life experiences as to what its like to be reared as a Jehovah's Witness Child, see:DIVORCE, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESGoogle for link, or:http://jwdivorces.bravehost.comThat website hosts summaries of nearly 350 actual court cases and lawsuits involving children of Jehovah's Witnesses, including over 150 cases where JW Parents refused to consent to life-saving blood transfusions for their dying child.
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Dear Mr. Propmin:Your reply and attempt to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses falls on deaf ears, especially to any clear thinking Bible student. I went to your page and realized (didn't take long) you are the same as others excommunicated for wrongdoing. And yes, not being able to do things your way has "messed up" you and perhaps your wife too. That messes a lot of people up. Even Satan.Claiming the organization is involved in "systemic child abuse" is an empty accusation. Claiming "Jesus Christ has nothing to do with these people and never has had anything to do with them" is an arrogant stance, with you putting yourself alone as the judge as to who Christ accepts or refuses (Rom 14:4).In your blog your gripe is, quoting "Watchtower 1981 December 1 p.27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter "Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones … Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do."I seem to recall an Ethiopian eunuch with enough humility to admit after being asked if he could read the word of Isaiah with understanding “Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?” You apparently don't think you need it.Trachelizo
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I have heard this argument before from people who have left the fold of the JW's. No birthdays - no holidays. An interesting fact: Jesus was raised in the same way - no birthdays, no non-Jewish holidays were celebrated. Was Jesus, or any of his followers, upset about it? The issue should not be whether or not one celebrates certain holidays, but whether one is loved, nurtured, and treated with dignity. And of course, was he properly taught the reasons why certain things were not permitted. His reasons for leaving the JW's are his own, but don't blame it on birthdays and holidays. I would hope his reasons go deeper then that.
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Nicest people I have ever met. Very family oriented, community oriented. I don't believe him that they would excommunicate someone for having drinks with co-workers. He was a kid and really probably had no idea what was going on in the adult world.I wonder if these people who are dogging the J-Dubs just wait for any bad press to come up to spread bad vibes about them. What a bunch of jackasses.
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For real-life experiences as to what its like to be reared as aJehovah's Witness Child, see:DIVORCE, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESGoogle for link, or:http://jwdivorces.bravehost.comThat website hosts summaries of nearly 350 actual court cases and lawsuits involving children of Jehovah's Witnesses, including over 150 cases where JW Parents refused to consent to life-saving bloodtransfusions for their dying child.
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Wolf in sheep's clothing PREDATORY PSYCHOPATHS they will 'love bomb' you to suck you in then f**k U over raw!The very inception of JWs was based on Hate. They hate the world, they hate other relgions, they hate everything about "this system of things."They are some of the most negative people on the planet. They can't stand the world or the people in it.They are a destructive cult who is anti-world, anti-society, anti anything positive. The watchtower Jehovah's Witnesses is a supremacist hate group who's very creed is that they alone are the 'meek who shall inherit the earth' ,death to outsiders.The known hate groups like the KKK don't go even that far ! Scientologist are saints compared to Jehovah Witness
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For REAL information on Jehovah's Witnesses go to http://www.silentlambs.org
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Mr Anderson: To quote you "a black hole of plundering"? One might be led to believe you were describing an oil company that proudly proclaimed they made $10 Billion dollars in profit last quarter! And "a million elderly members with no retirement nest eggs"? You're very quick to make a blanket statement that encompasses more than the normal person can envision. Actually, there are only about a million members in the United States, so I guess those under, say 55-60 aren't even counted. Those under 50 make up more than 50% of the membership. So, that's strange. That leaves about 500,000 and we're assuming by your figures 200% of them have no retirement. Be reasonable.The fact is, all members give voluntarily and are never asked for a dime. The ministers give their time freely. The "corporation" funds building projects in every corner of the world, including hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Kingdom Halls for those in less fortunate areas. Many are taught how to read and write.If 'old timers' never really took care of their long term health care like dental, diabetes, high blood pressure" as you claim, that would mean our life span should be shorter. If they have neglected their health, then it has been on their own watch - it certainly wasn't and isn't encouraged. No, that's not the case, because the fact is, everyone in the faith is encouraged to take care of themselves, to use their money wisely, and discontinue habits that are health threatening and are usually costly and time-consuming. I know of very few who die a premature death. Most have insurance. You would make it seem these people are whisked away to some private sector of life where they are fed through a tube and see daylight only on occasion. Please.No one is impervious to threats against their health, and some of these are insidious. We take every precaution possible.You say that 'other' religions do not pull this s**t (SIC) with followers". I suppose you mean the 'other' religions are providing a retirement plan and health care for their adherents? Please give me their address and phone number - I'd be interested in that religion myself!!! Last few people I talked to about their "mainstream" religion have admitted they still get a statement once a month if they didn't tithe. People who hate others usually think everyone else thinks like they do. I don't hate anybody. There are a few who are hard to stomach, but hate? Nah. Isn't it strange that I know thousands of what you might consider Witnesses in the "inner circle" and I have never, even once, heard one say they hated someone of another religion, or even the religion itself, for that matter.Making observations about the immoral conditions that this world finds itself in, the greed that is reported in big business, the corruption in government and other insightful things doesn't mean one is negative. Might just be they see Bible prophecy being fulfilled (1 Tim 3:1-5, 13).Jehovah's Witnesses love people, and work to help them in every instance possible. Labeling a group as a "supremacist hate group" because they have a different view than you about who the meek are spoken of in Psalms 37 (as well as the Gospel accounts) is really not called for. Chill out. I'm glad this is my three weeks off, because ordinarily I would take the time to respond to such acrimonious thinking.No matter a thin a pancake is, it always has two sides.Trachelizo
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I worked at Brooklyn Watchtower headquarters for 8 years from 1974 to 1980 and was a Bethel elder. Left in 1980 because it was an abusive apocalyptic cult that cared nothing for the fate of its members, only for numbers and $$. Why count the time spent in talking to non-members? To make sure everyone tows the line. Man-made hell, folks! Life is much better out of this religion.http://www.freeminds.orgRandall Watters
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Like millions of others in this world, I was raised a Jehovah's witness child, isolated from other children, indoctrinated for days on end at religious conventions, and seriously abused and oppressed.The result? At the age of 12, I became homicidal and suicidal. As gruesome as it sounds, Chapter 1 of my book is a short story I wrote about my fantasy to murder my family. Children growing up in this cult have been abused. I’ve seen babies as young as a year old repeatedly beaten in the restrooms (some with belts) for not sitting still for days on end. Toddlers were not allowed to color or read a book or do anything that might distract them from the “good news of the kingdom.” They were expected to pay attention and hang on every word spoken from the platform, just like the adults. Unlike most churches, there is no Sunday school environment for the children and they suffer immensely. If they look stoic and “well mannered,” it’s because they’ve had the crap beaten out of them and are afraid to even twitch. If you don’t believe what I'm saying, e-mail me through my website (www.outofthecocoon.net) and I’ll send you newsletters with dozens of testimonies by former Jehovah’s Witnesses who were abused while in this organization. Despite all that I’ve endured, I had the strength and good sense not to take radical measures as a teenager. Today I'm free, living life joyfully "Out of the Cocoon," trying to educate others about cults and the dangers of the Watchtower. I hope someday my story (a screenplay of my book) will be in theaters everywhere so everyone can learn what goes on in the Watchtower's Kingdom Halls in the name of God. Please--don’t be fooled by the meek demeanor of Jehovah's Witnesses. Appearances can be deceiving and they outright lie to people!! If you don't believe me, watch this video on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDIrPdBQgw Brenda Lee, author of "Out of the Cocoon: A Young Woman's Courageous Flight from the Grip of a Religious Cult" www.outofthecocoon.net
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Debunking the Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs:Their 'message' is their false Gospel that Jesus is ruling in heaven already since 1914 .The problem with this is it's not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim "..look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple" 99% of the world has rejected the teachings of the Watchtower Jehovah’s Witnesses as a ‘joke’ but the darker truth is they are a destructive and oppressive organization.--Danny Haszard Jehovah's Witness X 33 years
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My Jehovah's Witnesses Halloween Growing up with cult indoctrination scared to death of Armageddon turned me into a Watchtower ZombieA Phobic World ViewThe first step that the Watch Tower takes in their indoctrination of their followers is to develop the concept of the "universal war" that all people are inevitably caught up in, namely, that Satan has declared war on Jehovah, and we are automatically on one side or the other; there are no fence-sitters. If you are not doing all that the organization asks, you are on the side of the devil. Everything outside of the Watch Tower is controlled by the devil, and all persons who are not Witnesses are misled by the devil and are bad or dangerous to associate with. An unbalanced fear of the supernatural is encouraged. Witness children are told to avoid "worldly" magazines, movies, TV shows, music, etc. Any information critical of the Watch Tower is automatically evil and dangerous. Most doctors are evil for wanting to administer blood transfusions. Children have nightmares about mom or dad having to refuse a blood transfusion. Everything is made to appear as part of a large conspiracy to destroy Jehovah's Witnesses. Satan is feared totally out of proportion to the role as represented in the Bible. Danny Haszard Bangor Maine~I was in the cult and now I'm out
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I am with you guys who left the cult. I was a dubber or JW for 30 years. Raised in this crap it is hard to find out what is real.I did not go to collage or get a higher education because it would have been a waste as the end of the world was soon coming, LOL what a joke of a religion. Since leaving my wifes parents have not talked to her and my family has treated us as child molestors. Our offence? We decided that the cult or Jehovah's witness org. was not gods only channel of comunication to man on earth. In fact I decided that I am an atheist and my wife is non comited. So as far as the cult goes we are bad people. I tell every one that will listen do not get involved with this cult it will be the worst thing you ever do. Once in they slowly take over your life and keep you under their control.You will be directed to give up family that does not convert to the religion, all association with all people who are not in the cult. Some lie when they come to your door and say that this is not true. Take if from a person who was there for 30 years. you will not be told the inside of the cult till you are hooked. Much like the scientology cult. they are very close to mind control tec. that are used. Keep awawy from this cult.
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Trachelizo, You have got to be kidding me with your two sides of a pancake illustration in reference to the Watchtower Society. God doesn't work through Organizations and doesn't need to. He has historically worked through individuals, read Hebrews. chapter 11 and consider what happened to the nation of Israel. Jehovah raised Prophets and other individuals to constantly correct them because of their disobedience and Spiritual Fornication. Charles Russell the founder of the W.T. Org. stated that " the endeavor to compell all individuals to think alike on every subject led to the great apostacy from true Christianity". They have a 100% failure with their End-time Prophecies and are arrogant when information presented to them by their own adherents proves them to be in error. A Swedish Elder in the late 1970s' proved conclusively that their end time Chronology regarding 607 B.C. was twenty years off and they refused to acknowledge and correct this in order to save face instead of being humble and making the necessary change. One error and coverup eventually leads to another error and coverup so that the cure to the disease ends up being the disease itself. Let he who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall and pride is before a crash and a haughty spirit. The bible writers of the New Testament all admitted their mistakes and shortcomings without justification afterwards unlike the W.T. If someone predicts that Armageddon is coming in the mid 1970s' and it doesn't transpire, of course their going to admit error afterwards, they had no other choice but to, any sane rational person would have to because of it being clear and obvious to everyone that were aware of this. Of course Danny Hazard and others' are disgruntled, because the Watchtower is directed by a bunch of extremely legalistic control freaks that want to control your every personal decision where the Bible is either silent or is unclear on a particular subject matter. Respectfully yours, Brad.
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I'm so sorry for all the cry babies that had bad childhoods because of their *oppressive* religion. Most people that have problems with organized religion don't really have a problem with that religion, so much as they do with dealing with authority in general. In religion, God in some incarnation, is the authority figure. Under a government that isn't a democracy or utopian, it's the upper class rulers that the people despise. In the military, it the commanding officers. At work, it's your boss. So on and so forth. Right down to the laws of the land you reside in. I'd be ashamed to go on record in a magazine, or even in an anoymous forum as this, an admit that my life was ruined because my parents dragged me kicking and screaming to church. That's such a huge cop out. Congradulations! All of you complainers have admitted through your immature, fascist replies, you can't handle answering to someone above your station in life. Humor me for a sec here... Try to pull up your britches and act like you're 30 with a decent paying job to feed your 2.5 kids. Chomp some Klonopin. Let reality take a brief hold over your thoughts. You're all trying to tell me going to church and living under a few organized rules is a worse childhood fate than having parents that are crack addicts and don't love you because they are enveloped in their vice? You fate is worse than having to prostitute yourself at 14 to make ends me? What about the kids in Darfur right now? Believe me, there are many more childhoods that have gone wrong than having well meaning parents attempting to bring some kind of moral foundation to their children's life. No Christmas? Do Jews celebrate Christmas? How about Muslims? Only in the United Capitalist States of America is someone made to feel guilty for not purchasing expensive gifts at the peak sales point of the fiscal year. When you get into your 30's, it's time to live your life. Not crying about the life you had decades ago with mommy & daddy. Deal with it.
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Mr. Haszard:You clearly went for the bait. I used the "gobbledegook" to see if yours or another's sensitivities would be rattled - in light of the language used in the rapper's diatribe about being stunted while being raised by Jehovah's Witnesses. People are not rattled by filthy language - but are by the message of Jehovah's Witnesses, which is not the false message you have spent a large part of your life trying to convince others it is. Really, if you are so intelligent, why did it take you 30 years to wise up? Looks like you're a bit slow on the uptake if that's the case - that they duped you for that many years. Fact is, the truth is probably clearly another story. You couldn't run the show your way - so your bitterness is quite transparent.No matter how thin a pancake is - it always has two sides. Trachelizo
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For those so inclined:No one person is going to stop the constant acrimonious attack by former witnesses - especially those excommunicated for their conduct (which, as motorcyclegrin correctly surmised would NOT include having a drink with office fellows or whatever).The "core" belief of Jehovah's Witnesses is not what you think, Mr. Haszard. To claim you were a devout believer for 33 years one would have thought you'd have actually learned more than that. The belief that God's Kingdom will take care of all the problems on earth is the central teaching. No one is being forced to believe ANYTHING that Jehovah's Witnesses teach from the Bible. People from all walks of life people believe that. Many of those you consider "mindless" believers are millionaire business people, teachers, doctors, lawyers, PhD's, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers. If you have chosen not to believe that central doctrine (which is apparent), so be it. But, they are clearly not a cult. Period. Nine of ten adherents to the faith couldn't tell you who the president of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is. Cultists follow a person.Trachelizo
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Jehovah's Witnesses a HIGH DEMAND CULT The developing pattern of new cults from infancy to maturity is quite fascinating. They all center around one charismatic leader in the beginning. There is much euphoria among the little group over the idea of being the only ones whom God has blessed with the teachings of his "chosen servant." There is a bond of intimacy within the group based on this common identity, a kind of intimate friendship not found among orthodox Christians; ( 2) somewhat similar to the excitement of belonging to a secret club. Much effort is expended in making new converts, as the converts must learn to change their whole way of thinking to match that of the cult leader. (3) Because they have put so much work into converting individuals, and because the victims end up as, in effect, clones of themselves, they are excited for the new converts and heap much special attention on them, almost as if they were sons or daughters to them. Indeed, many are openly labeled as their spiritual children. Like doting mothers and fathers, the spiritual parents watch carefully over their new convert to see that their faith is not shaken by new discoveries or by their reading literature which exposes them as a cult. In the case of the Moonies, for instance, if a initiate decides to leave the group, the others quickly pull them back into their circle and physically and emotionally make a big fuss over them, using the security and emotional bonding of the group as the magnet to draw them back in. Within a few months, however, the initiate is expected to "tow the line" like everyone else, and the special attention disappears. It is replaced with the yoke of servitude. --RHW.
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Miss Brenda:If you were abused you are to be consoled. Your letter indicates you need that, but even more than that, counseling. The simple fact that as you entered pubescent years you became homicidal, suicidal and fantasized about murdering your family is proof enough of that. I too was raised as a Witness and was not isolated from other children, indoctrinated for days on end at religious conventions, nor abused, oppressed. Never considered suicide or homicide. I had a wonderful childhood and did not resent the direction of my parents, who gave me life and had more experience in life than me. My father held two PhDs and my mother one. My father was raised in a devout Church of God family and my mother was Methodist with a Jewish mother. My father and mother both attended church and many "revivals" even after they met in college and married. After studying for several years, they became witnesses (I wasn't "born" into the faith).In visiting home during my 30's, my folks were preparing to move into a new home and they had one cardboard box after another with coloring books, toys and other memorabilia I had forgotten about. Most Witnesses could probably tell this same story. Someone who abused a 1-year old child by beating them might have the same problems you have, unfortunately, and later on - their children will. But, expecting children, and even training them to "pay attention" to what's being said on the platform like the adults is good advice rather than today's prevalent atmosphere to indulge children by encouraging them to be self-serving (bad advice). You don't believe that, apparently.It may be a fact that you were beaten or something similar, but newsletters from your site are weighted by those who feel the same way you do, they weren't allowed to have their way, did not want direction from either their parents or Jehovah's Witnesses - and have found a medium to vent their spleen.Hatred is a strong provocation. Clearly what you feel you "escaped" is being driven by this emotion (and some other reasons best left unmentioned). What you term "serious mind control by a cult" is just the opposite. I often deal with parents who have mental and emotional issues (and have children with developing problems). Often these parents have difficulties with their children (or grandchildren they're having to raise, who have been indulged, allowed to "plug in" to this system, entertained by their iPod's or video games, living for the next text message or video on their phones, rudely turning out those around. The problems created are beyond their ability to deal with or control. By the way, these aren't Witnesses - it's part of my profession. It's bad form to assume people who are Jehovah's Witnesses are mindless. For a fact, you could accuse almost any organization of "mind control" and "loading the language" from politics, to Amway to National Football League coaches.As to speaking with "apostates", since that's what you are identifying yourself as - I will not discuss or try to disprove what you are teaching. Your salvo will not prevent me from providing a view to the other side of the pancake - since others have seen your side.It IS "hard for me to comprehend" that you actually do believe (and you do) that all of Jehovah's Witnesses are either as adults or children, abused or abusers. My observation is that the fruits of most apostates are usually manifest during or after their departure. Do you live an immoral life? Some have turned to homosexuality, living together, and the use of drugs because they no longer consider the issues as wrong.I do agree with the axiom to "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Most apostates, collectively, have a lot of experience in what they frame and promote.No matter how thin a pancake is, it always has two sides.Trachelizo
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To: Trachelizo, You have got to be kidding me with your two sides of a pancake illustration, the Watchtower Org. has a 100% record of failure regarding their Prophecies, the start of the last days was originally 1799 culminating in the complete destruction of this system in 1914, they believed 1799 to be the start of the last days up until the late 1920's. When the final end didn't transpire in 1914, they kept moving the date up a year or so. They remind me of our weather forecasters, who at least won't disfellowship me for disagreeing with their prediction. If I told you that tomorrow it was definitely going to snow and it turned out to be completely sunny than admitted I made an error, what else could I tell you after the fact, thats what the W.T. does. Since you obviously believe in the Bible, how do you reconcile Deut.18:20-22, Jeremiah.23:21, Acts.1:7, Matt.24:23-27,36,42-44, in light of the W.T.s' failed predictions, many of which would take a book like Ray Franzs' to list here. They don't want to love you unconditionally like Jesus does, but to control you. Attempting to control all individuals on every subject led to Apostacy in Christianity. Stop looking at Bible Truth through your eyes Organizationally, because God has in the past and in the present worked through faithful individuals like the ones that are listed at Hebrews. chapter 11. The Jews as an Organization failed God continuously, thats why he had to raise the Prophets to correct them. Respectfully Yours, Brad.
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Disfellowshipping is cruel. It is the means by which the Watchtower publishing company controls its followers. Jesus Christ never shunned anyone, even if someone did wrong he loved them enough to tell them so, not shun them. Kathleen Wells
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Observe what total predatory trolls the Jehovah's Witnesses are.They wait for the next post from watchtower cult victims so that they can pounce on it and rip it to pieces.You Jehovah Witnesses suck your a mean cult.Your dogmas like only a 144,000 go to heaven,Jesus second coming in 1914,no birthdays are all bull.You actually have the gall to tresspass at our private homes to try to get us to join up.
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