Morrissey Quizzed By Fbi Message Board and Comments
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Morrissey is adorable. Enough said.
it was pretty clear to me a song about the situation in palstine. the sad
situation of the occupied youth. referneces to Allah's gift of eternal life to
the young men, who like roses, conduct martyrdom operartions against an
occupation. violence is ugly. it breaks my heart. morrissey is here to mend our
hearts, perhaps, or simply awaken them.
when i heard about the national front getting into moz, i laughed it off....
but now i see are all here instead of shoving little girls out of the front row
at the concerts.
don;t worry.. one day the "democracies" will come for you. like in bosnia, and
many other places people though t they were free. remember.. all the land we
are on was once natice american, or welsh, etc.
patriotism is a poor excuse for reason, and blind obedience is just that.
kudos moz. i salute you as i always have.
-an american muslim
Having heard Morrissey spereading nationalist hateread at the concert I don't
think he's intitled to be spared from investigation if any kind... Music as
mass media is far too powerful for guffs - or deliberate spread of a single
person's twisted mind thoughts. I'm glad he won't ever come to play this
festival (EXIT) again.
Johnny Boy....you've just proved Morrissey's case.
I'm pretty much certain that the point he is making, is that he is exercising
his freedom of speech, and right of choice.
How fortunate it is, that we all don't vent our spleen in an attempt to silence
those that believe in something contrary to our own opinion.
All this crap coming from Morrissey is tiresome. I found this site after he
told Canada he was boycotting us because of the seal hunt.
Note that for all his mouthing off about Britain and the USA, that he is not
boycotting them.
I guess he does not have a problem with people getting killed, nor does he have
a problem with Japan which has returned to Whale hunting and have the dolphin
on the brink of extinction.
Their herding of dolphins and porpoises into small estuaries where they are
slaughtered and dragged up on the beach, causes the water and the beach to turn
red and slippery with blood, it takes a couple of tide changes and more if you
add the time it takes for the blood to wash off the beach, for the area to look
normal again. These areas look more like Omaha Beach on D-Day!
I would like to know, what it is about banging on a guitar or screaming your
lungs out, that makes these people think they are endowed with more
intelligence. Money is not a sign that they are better than anyone else, but it
does provide you with more toys with which to pollute the environment. Why
doesn't Morrissey, McCartney, Bono, Pam Anderson of People Eating Tasty Animals
fame and that old bag of skin Bardot, pool their money and offer it to the
hunters to stay home. No, it is easier to stick your face in front of a
camera, usually prior to the release of a record, a book or a tour to bring
attention to themselves.
Canada was chosen to be boycotted by Morrissey simply, because their are so few
people here, it would not affect his bottom line. If the hunt was taking place
off the coast of the USA, Japan or any other large market, we would never hear
a peep from these guys as they would fear they would be boycotted. INMHO anyhow
rant mode off.
I always wondered how Morrisey managed to sing through his arse, but now I
realise he can talk through it as well, he gains my deepest respect. Tell the
truth, I might respect Wee Georgie Bush a little more if he banged up Morrisey.
Charge? Boring us all s**tless for donkey's years.
It is of utmost importance in a "free society" that individuals are able to
speak freely. Morrissey being "quized" by the FBI or any government is clearly
motivated by two regimes grasping at stralls for public acceptance. Also clear
is how far these regimes will go to intimidate those who excersice their right
to free speech. The greatest threat to America is it's politically ineffectual
populas. If Americans do not represent what they want, someone will represent
what they want for you. What will it take for them to quiz me?
Jonathan
Xinhuanet.com is a state news agency yes. I simply mentioned it because I in
general most Amercians do not read PRC news on a daily basis. If you do begin
reading PRC state news it may spark your curiousity to seek more PRC news and
maybe look in the Sino underground for the real news.
As for rights lost. Look at the Total Information Awareness program that was
put into play by the DOD. What does it do? Every purchase you make with a
credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you
fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic
grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every
event you attend—all these transactions and communications will go into what
the Defense Department describes as ‘a virtual, centralized grand database.
Amendment 4 to the United States Constitution states:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.
So how is the TIA not a violation of my rights? That is just one small
provision from within the Patriot Act. Oh, aslo Patriot stand for Provide
Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism. So watching
what you and I buy like toilet paper and milk and watching that we checked out
a Charles Dickens book from the library is going to help obstruct terrorism?
Nope, but it does give government full control of the people.
I tell you what read the first Patriot Act and then read the second Patriot
Act. If you can't find lost liberties in it then I must be mistaken.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
For everyone who is concerned with his/her rights in regard to the law, music
etc it would be good if you read up on what the EFF is doing to preserve your
rights at www.eff.org.
Thanks,
DjBroken
I'm already crying for those people who will never consider critical thinking
as a necessary part of democracy.
Ok, aren't we getting off the topic here? just a tad? like about a light year
away?
Look, it boils down to this: Moz speaks out against the current US regime and
the Iraq occupation, and he gets questioned by authorities. For those of you
who wanted to see at least one right taken away, here it is.
This is something that has been unherd of in the last 3 decades in a Western
country, let alone the "Home of the Free". Do you want to know where it had
been practiced? Eastern Europe, before the Berlin Wall fell.
When Clinton sent troops to former Yugoslavia, he got so much flack for it from
the Republicans and the "liberal" media. Yet no one was hauled in for
questioning. Yet now, a singer who is a relative unknown in the US, gets taken
by the federal police for saying "eh! they're doing a lousy job of running the
country". Those of you who don't see anything wrong with this, take a good hard
look. Stop thinking about the now, and ask yourselves what about next time, if
the government does something you disagree about has these same rules in place.
If you speak out, will you get questioned? Will you be afraid to speak out?
Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford...all these presidents were praised and
critisised at some point, by private and public figures. None had a directive
in place to question dissenters about their ties to subversive groups.
Now as for the argument about better countries than the US in terms of freedom,
education, and social conditions: I moved to one from the US, last year. I now
live in Canada :)
A little background.
WHOIS Record For
xinhuanet.com
Registrant:
China Economic Information Service
No. 97A,Xuanwumen Xidajie
Beijing, 100031
CN
Domain Name: XINHUANET.COM
China Economic Information Service is a subgroup of the Xinhua News Agency.
Though all of CEIS's shares of Xinhua online were sold in a public trade as of
12-2-05, Xinhua online is still backed by both Xinhua News Agency and the
SingTao News Group. The Xinhua News Agency is an institution of the State
Council of China, and the SingTao News Group is a publically traded
international corporation.
Bias everywhere.
I think it's interesting that someone posted that I know nothing about what I'm
talking about.
First of all I am a musician. That is one part of my life. I am also a cabinet
maker. I manage a high end cabinet shop in Cincinnati, OH. I graduated from the
University of Cincinnati in 1997 with a business degree. I should also mention
that while I am a US citizen I was born in another country.
I have been studying the PRC for the past 12 years. So just because you have an
opinion, and this is the point of an online forum, please don't smear other's
good names to make your own point.
If you are following the PRC politically you will know that they are in the
process of becoming one of the greatest superpowers in world history. In
January they annouced that they were going to pull 100% out of the US Bond
market by year end of 2006. That's close to one trillion dollars not supporting
our government. If you silently want to take out your enemy, do it
economically.
As for their military think of this. They have over 300,000,000 men in their
entire military. The US has 350 million in its population. Their military is
steadily becoming the strongest in the world. In 2005 they successfully built
and launch two nuclear submarines without the US's knowledge until they
actually hit international waters. If you would like to see what their
capabilities are go to: http://www.china-military.org
The US EP3-C turboprop that was hit by a APLA jet in 2001 was taken into
custody by the PRC. This was a plane that no other government or military in
the world had access to. The APLA have 20 of them flying now. They are the
masters of Reverse Engineering. (If you don't believe that statement look on
MIT's site for the white paper about the first reverse engineering of the
X-Box.)
They PLA has said if the PRC goes to war with the US side over Taiwan they are
willing to lose 1 million men per wave on the first three waves into the battle
for the island.
Since the early 1990's the PRC has been courting every nation in the world.
They have very strong ties with Russia, Canada, Cuba, Brazil, India, Pakastan,
Iran, Israel, Africa, and most EU states. They have been doing this out in the
open for all to see but 99.5% of Amercians are disinterested.
I love the culture of the people of the PRC. I have many first generation
friends from the PRC.
The art to true debate is knowing everything about your oponents side and what
they are arguing. It is not about opinions. It is about stating facts.
If 75% of US corporations are invested in the PRC and then the PRC begins
buying corporations we will see a take over. Example: The PRC bought the Buick
Riviera line from GM. The Riviera is the top selling car in the PRC amoung the
middle class. But it is strictly manufactured in the PRC. This is a test run
befor the PRC makes a formal offer to buy GM. If the PRC owned one of the
largest US auto makers which employs 300,000 us workers, that would be a smart
move. So now goods would be maufactured in the PRC. Amercians would be employed
by PRC owned companies. All that is left are the small companies that comprise
niche markets. If they pulled the plug on US investments how could the US
respond? We would have zero recourse.
I would recomend reading http://www.xinhuanet.com/english everyday. It would do
you go to see what is really happening in the world.
Thanks,
Dj Broken
Forget the left-wing "we're loosing rights and becoming China!" / right-wing
"people saying opinions against the government are dangerous" stuff. Hyperbole
all. Just put on your Common Sense Thinking Cap for a minute and ask yourself
the big question: is a has-been rock singer like Morrissey a terrorist threat?
Yeah, he may be mouthing off against the government, but who cares? Anyone
who's listened to his music, and is aware of his antics, knows that he's a
depressive whiner. :) And the above was pretty typical of his depressive whine
of late.
So my answer is: Morrissey as a terrorist threat? That's a joke, right?
Look at the mess in Iraq. Heck, look at the mess in Afghanistan. Not exactly
the sign of competent intelligence, eh? Something needs to be improved there,
right?
But is our tax dollars going to improve deficiencies that might actually
*prevent* another 9/11 or London bombing?
No. Tax dollars is going to hassle has-been rock singers who spout off. Yeah, I
feel so much safer now that Morrissey was questioned. Not.
BTW: From my perspective, the most darkly humorous and ironic comments on this
thread are these type: "How DARE Morrissey says we are not as free as China!
Morrissey must be a liberal commie bastard who DESERVES to be investigated!"
Heh heh heh... It always amazes me to find right-wing folks that feel that
"freedom" is nothing more than a buzzword for their lockstep propaganda. There
are some extreme right-wingers in the United States, I've found, that seem far
more concerned about a protestor like Cindy Sheehan than a terrorist threat
like Osama Bin Laden... fortunately, they are in the minority. So far.
To Jean:
UNINFORMED?????????????
Please.
Take your disdain elsewhere.
My degrees are in political science and history.
I teach political science.
I am a political party officer.
I was appointed to a commission (by a DEMOCRAT mayor, by the way).
I work with politics and politicians every day of my life.
And, I assume that others who post have similar credentials.
You, evidently do not.
It is rude, condescending, arrogant, and just plain mean, to presume that those
who disagree with you are "uninformed."
That is why I consistently remind folks to read, read, read, make timelines,
reason, and don't jump to conclusions. Conclusions are arrived at only after
exhaustive research. No one should merely take in hateful gossip (easily
obtained) and assume it to be true.
And no one should assume that those who hold differing views are "uninformed."
That type of arrogance is not helpful when people are seeking common ground.
Leftists say the silliest things:
"China has just about dissolved communism . . . " [ignorant lie]
"Communism is a little more complex that [than] you all seem to think."
[arrogant put-down of others]
"I thought all human beings were created equal." [nope]
"These nations aren't as free as they endlessly proclaim." [cite source of
this nonsensical statement]
"By the way, homophobia is the perspective of an ignorant moron." [whoops!
what happened to the notions of "tolerance" and "diversity" (or are you in
charge of what people are allowed to think?)]
"A singer gets hauled in as a threat to the government nad [and] you want to
have a go at Morrissey?
"You utter tools."
And the clinker of them all:
"Morrissy is a great singer. It's too bad that he had to face that BS. But all
musicians, activists, artists, etc., will face that in the future. We have lost
most of our freedoms since the enactment of the Patriot Act in 2001. When the
colonials tried to escape the King of England they were persecuted and
prosecuted in the same fashion as we are seeing today. Most Americans cannot
accept this though because they are content to be ignorant. We are soon going
to be an island of the PRC anyway." [These nonsensical notions are the
ramblings of someone who has done no significant reading of history, political
science, sociology, statistical studies, or economics.]
Specifically:
China IS a communist style government that has cleverly adapted some of its
economic muscle in order to provide cheap goods to the world, as a way of
financing their totalitarian dictatorship and shows NO SIGN of changing,
however this is not an adequate forum to debate forms of government.
Human beings are equal ONLY in the eyes of G-d. There is a small manner of
common utility, and social distinction, that cannot be denied in a world
populated by human beings.
Equality has no basis in fact in a world populated by humans, plants, and
animals. Specifically, not the world we live in. One size does not fit all.
That is EXACTLY what "equality" would mean if applied to a governments
treatment of its citizens. We are not all six foot-nine-inch tall black Muslim
basketball players with an IQ of 95. Neither are we all five foot tall white
Christian widows with an IQ of 130. We are not all captains of industry nor
are we all construction framers or truck drivers. We are not all lap dancers;
neither are we all singers, athletes, or musicians. We are not the same age,
the same size, the same intellect, the same ability, or the same desires. You
are demanding "perfection" in an imperfect world. What is "equal" to you is
"unequal" to me. Does that mean that you are "more equal" than me? Who
decides?
The notion that "freedom" means that no one can ever be "called on the carpet"
is an illogical (and unworkable) pipe-dream. Only a child would require a
world where there is no responsibility, no accountability, and no one in
charge. Adults understand that intelligence, education, and experience mean
that some have more knowledge than others. Anyone who demands "total freedom"
(a situation where they would never have to answer for their actions) would be
forced to live entirely by themselves in total isolation. If you live in
society, you are subject to the rules of society. Incidentally, the boneheads
who are demanding "total freedom" in the form of absolutely no accountability
to authority, are probably too young to understand that "freedom" in the USA
means that they able to draw "unemployment" (and do), and don't mind that their
pregnant-out-of-wedlock friends are drawing welfare, and find no problem with
their grandparents drawing "social security" so they don't have to support
them. They pay for society subsidized car insurance, and want society
subsidized health insurance taken out of their checks. They count on the fact
that a slaughter house is prohibited from moving in next door, due to society's
zoning restrictions. They attend government supported schools and use
tax-payer dependent libraries. They go to events at government sponsored
sports arenas. They drive on government paved roads. They use bridges that
they did not pay for, but were built at society's expense. They are confident
that the food they eat is safe, because of the demands of society (that
restricts the freedom of farmers, processors, truckers, and retailers). They
know that they can air their grievances in government guaranteed courthouses by
government paid for judges. They don't complain that society pays to house
criminals. They avail themselves of services provided by the police and fire
departments and EMTs. They count on other drivers adhering to red lights and
safety rules. They count on other citizens following laws that keep others
safe while it restricts the "freedom" of criminals. All of these
"conveniences" are in place because of the LIMITS OF SOCIETY that are placed on
so called "free" citizenry. It is a shame that all this has to be pointed out
to you.
Anyone who believes that "singers" are exempt has not done adequate research.
They have no idea how "singers" have historically been involved in "activities"
that might be under investigation? Have you never heard of Lotte Lenya?
Marlena Dietrich? Frank Sinatra? Lena Horne? Dorothy McGuire? Wayne
Newton? John Lennon. Debbie Reynolds. If you believe that ANY profession is
immune to politics, you are childishly uninformed.
Now, as to the "genius" who believes that ALL entertainers will be subjected to
investigation in the future, what is your source? Crystal ball? Personal
fear? And, EXACTLY what FREEDOMS have you LOST since the enactment of the
Patriot Act??????????? NAME THEM!!!!!!!!!!
Finally, just exactly how did the "colonials" try to "escape" the King of
England??? (That is an amazing descriptions of early America. I doubt you
have ever read a book and you certainly slept though school lessons.)
You knowledge of history is as lacking and insignificant as your knowledge of
politics and current events.
Morrissey did not say anything to be criticized for. If you are paying
attention, Americans are losing many of our civil rights and freedoms. Bush is
methodically setting up a dictatorship for America which is obvious to only
about half of our nation. Many of us are fighting it every day.
Morrissey has a right to speak his beliefs about my country and his own. We
all have a right to criticize our leadership without having to be told to live
somewhere else. People who make these types of comments are exposing how
uninformed they are.
I highly respect Morrissey for his forthrightness. He got investigated, and
even after being grilled by British and American survellance agencies, he
maintained his unwaivering position on the sad state of our two "democracies".
Unlike the Stones who went ahead and did tours sponsored by corporations that
discriminate against gays and support the war.
To pma95: I am not interested in your sympathy and I am not a victim. As to
your assertion that being gay is "not quite right" that is your opinion and I
respect that. I am not asking for sympathy or tolerance. I am demanding respect
as another human being. I do agree with you on one point: you are tired.
To fourx14: You state: "you're not going to face any discrimination from being
a homosexual in this country any more and you know it." I felt discriminated
against two weeks ago when I was out to dinner with a few friends and was told
by the people sitting at the next table that we were "disgusting and should be
taken outside and shot" after they noticed that one of our group (male) greeted
another member of our group (male) with a hug and kiss on the cheek. No, I am
definitely not looking for government to make such acts of homophobia illegal.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, no matter how putrid it may be. But it is
very hard to reason with someone who would say such a thing to another human
being when our very own government would like to constituionalize homophobia.
You also state: "And then you pout that the USA isn't
jumping up and down with glee and handing you roses and champagne because you
WANT those things?" -referring to gays wanting the right to marry and adopt
children. I don't want any roses or champagne. I just want to be treated like
everyone else. Did you know that in Wisconsin gays can actually adopt children.
That's right, they can adopt children as long as the children are infected with
HIV, are severely handicapped or suffer from another terminal illness. So in
other words, gays are good enough to adopt kids that no one else wants or kids
that are going to just die anyway. Does that sound right to you?
Getting back to the Morrissey thing: Morrissey has always been one of music's
most notorious malcontents. He has always made political statements with his
music and in his speech. The fact that anyone is surprised that Morrissey has a
political point of view and that he is comfortable expressing it is ridiculous.
Does anyone remember "Meat is Murder?"
Thanks to those who wrote kind words. It makes me feel better to know that some
of you are intelligent, empathetic people. Peace.
You have got to be joking me?
A SINGER gets hauled in as a "threat to the government" nad you want to have a
go at Morrissey?
What sort of blind fools are you? You are probably the type of people that as
teh Nazi's took away the Jews said...well they could be living in another
country where it is worse!!!
Who cares what it is like elsewhere, we claim to be a free society, but you
can't talk about the government or you get dragged into questioning by the FBI
and Special Branch?
That isn't free you tards.
He wasn't "free" for the several hours he was held and questioned was he?
And what crime had he committed?
Oh he criticised the government.
You utter tools.
Freedoms? In my hometown we had 30, (count em, 30) feds, state and county
officials show up with an all-inclusive search warrant to "find anything that
might be used in a felony" and "to look in any place of storage or
concealment". They kept 5 employees incommunicado (against the law),
interrogated one for 2 hours, all this happening at a business that supplies
law enforcement agencies! The two reasons for showing up were both bogus, as it
turned out. Now they are trying to justify the huge expense of this erroneous
effort.
I think he's pissed because the burly agent-in-charge didn't give him a cavity
search.
Well, djbroken, please tell me what freedoms you personally have lost.
This is just whining. I have never had one person be able to list one freedom
they have lost. They are usually only able to mouth some obscenity and walk
off.
Can you say attention whore? I knew you could. Yet another so called
"artist" who is filled with is own self importance. Maybe his agent told him
he was not getting his face in the news enough. Considering the way these
"artists" and actors live their lives one has to wonder how they think their
opinion is worth anything. Then again you have to wonder about the groupies
and other brain dead who really think these "artists" opinion are of value.
He is lucky all he had happen was an investigation.
Had he given the same support to Germany and Japan during World War II as he
gives to terrorists and Saddam now he would have had a lot more happen to him.
Of course what they called treason back then is now called political
dissent.
It is sobering how little people commenting on this column truly do not
understand the concepts of democracy and communism. No wonder people can't
tell the difference between government control and government assistance, and a
muslim and a terrorist. America nor Brittain are democracies by its very
definition. America is certainly a "representative" republic with tendancies
towards imperialism. Communism has been implemented very poorly throughout
history and societies who call themselves "Communist" are not truly communist
as America is not truly a democracy. Can you people truly say that China
provides its citizens with the basics they need to live, no matter their social
status? This is certainly not true, but this is the basis for a communist
society. Please look this information up if you don't believe me. I'm already
crying for those people who will never consider critical thinking as a
necessary part of democracy.
Morrissy is a great singer. It's too bad that he had to face that BS. But all
musicians, activists, artists, etc., will face that in the future. We have lost
most of our freedoms since the enactment of the Patriot Act in 2001. When the
colonials tried to escape the King of England they were persecuted and
prosecuted in the same fashion as we are seeing today. Most Americans cannot
accept this though because they are content to be ignorant. We are soon going
to be an island of the PRC anyway.
Wow. I must say that there are a lot of ignoramuses responding to this story.
(Am I one of them? Hmm...) ;)At any rate, I think it's ridiculous that the FBI
even thought Morrissey seemed threatening enough to question. Then again, in
this post-9/11 (and other terror attacks) society where fear and manipulation
are key, anything is possible.
Are there worse governments than that of the US or Great Britian? Of course
there are. But Morrissey has made a point, which some of you already
recognized: These nations aren't as free as they endlessly proclaim. We've come
to sacrifice most of our freedom for safety, or the illusion of which, and even
Ben Franklin said that anyone willing to give up one for the other deserved
neither. So, with that said, maybe some of you should consider, or re-consider,
what Dannyboy was trying to say -- that there are many things in these
"democracies" that need changed to BETTER ensure the freedom of others.
(By the way, homophobic is the perspective of an ignorant moron; anyone
claiming differently needs to step out of his or her "culture" and into
humanity. And what's up with the commie talk? Who are you, McCarthy?? Well,
he's dead, so these talks should die, too...)
Anyway, the fact of the matter is, though Morrissey is a great singer and
lyricist, of whom I'm a fan, one shouldn't judge his words so harshly. He's
made a point. And you pitiful things have TRIED making a point to counter it.
But no matter WHO gripes, change won't occur until enough of the right actions
are taken to make things move in the right direction.
Anyone can talk; fewer can act. That goes for Morrissey; that goes for others
responding to this story; and that goes for me. Don't like the way this
democracy is "working"? Exercise your democratic right and ACT. Think it's
"working" just fine? Educate yourself; you'll find out otherwise. The rest of
what has to be said from here on out is irrelevant if you complain and do
nothing else. And no, I'm not making a big deal out of nothing. Those who are
making a big deal out of nothing are the ones who need to learn how to type and
make themselves sound a touch more logical than they come across...
Thanks,
SR McKeehen
Students Against Discrimination Organization
most of you are obviously prejudiced, ignorant morons. the point of this
article is that amerikka and britain are on the road to fascism-since when do
we have to be questioned by govt agencies when we speak our minds?this doesn't
happen in trulydemocratic societies. i bet most of you would have ended up
nazis in hitler's time...WAKE UP!
lovely to hear the homophobia on this page as well-there's nothing not quite
right about being gay.
remember the 60's and 70's? the us deported and eventually killed john lennon
because the cia and fbi believed he could've swayed an election. notice how it
was all left of center people assassinated during that time?not a coincidence.
we're heading in the same direction today.henry rollins was told he had to stop
reading radical books by the australian authorities when he was reading a book
on a plane. what the hellis happening here?
there is nothing unpatriotic about the truth, and wanting to kill people you
fear does not make you a good american or brit.
the govt was responsible for 9-11 and the london bombings anyway.you may want
to check out loosechange911.com and get some scientific evidence of this.
don't believe everything your "leaders" tell you.
Someone stated that China has been working in a market economy for the last ten
years. China had Hong Kong handed to them by the Brits. They had no choice but
to try and not lose trillions of dollars. The EU and the USA have have opened
up the floodgates with favorite trading status for China to keep the progress
of an economy that has never experienced growth on a foreign level(exports).
After North Korea, China is one of the darkest societies on the planet. You can
go to the pretty places to get your pictures taken and see the beautiful China
but you're probably getting your news from AP reports too.No basic
infra-structure for more than 3/4 quarters of the population not to mention
systematic starvation of people in certain tribal and religous circles. Believe
me the list can go on for a while.
As for comedians or the rock star, it's noble to try to change something for
the better. The victim status and the "I deserve to be heard" is a tired and
old statement. I think musicians lose themselves as to the importance of their
lyrics applied to our culture as a country and most importantly to the people.
The music I listen to gives me a certain(good)feeling about my state of the
day, song, week or personal interest. Not somebody's rant!
Accountability,ideas and solutions are hard to come by these days. We
have to look for it.It keeps the darkness of man away from us all.
Five words: I have nothing to say. The government agents can't arrest you for
not answering their questions (at least in the usa).
dannyboy, being gay is "not quite right" either....sorry, but society is
getting tired of the victims around us....you've worn out our sympathy...we're
tired.
dannyboy...you're not going to face any discrimination from being a homosexual
in this country any more and you know it.the ACLU has wetdreams at nite praying
to whatever god they pray to that a homosexual IS fired from their job,denied
housing,etc.They're slobbering at the prospect of taking down a corporation
just for you,dannyboy.Aren't you lucky...
The marriage/adoption debate is a new one.Who knew that gays would expect they
can turn society's mores upside down and demand to be married?!Adoption?
Invitro fertilization,ad nauseum?!wow.And then you pout that the USA isn't
jumping up and down with glee and handing you roses and champagne because you
WANT those things? Get a grip on REAL reality.Only a Supreme Court edict
forcing society to deal with your "wants" would ever make America attempt to
grapple with the ramifications of that judgement.
Look at Roe V Wade...what a mess...now lump gay marriage onto that pile...what
fun,huh?
please...call me a homophobe if that'll make you feel better.
discourse? we have plenty of it.some people tho are sick to death of it.it's
24/7/365.endless.and you're NEVER satisfied.
Sounds to me that the Mozzer is trying to stir up a little controversy to get
some media attention for his upcoming album. What evidence is there that this
actually happened apart from Morrissey saying it is so? If Morrissey said he
was abducted by aliens would we all believe it's true? There are too many sheep
out there believing everything they read and too willing to believe we live in
a police state...
Okay everybody, I give up. This is the first time I have ever been on this
website and I mistakenly thought it was a forum for intelligent discussion.
Lesson learned. Everyone just go back to what you were doing: Morrissey sucks,
yer a commie, libs suck etc. I can't even figure out if the last entry from
'bozz' is talking about the same Morrissey as the rest of us. As a matter of
fact I can hardly read half of the entries because they appear to be by people
who are either very, very young (middle school?)and just learning the language
or people learning ESL. Sorry to have bothered everyone. Peace.
...i enjoyed his music, but he sucks! no wit on that field of politics. he
jumps on the wagen of fat America, but sings- ' ur da one 4 me fatty'....
liberals don't get it due to being still of middle school mentality.....
China is not a communist state.
LOL, where do these people come from? I defy you to go to their country and
speak your mind. Go ahead, do it. See if you just get "picked up" and
questioned. Make sure to come back on here and post your findings, wait, you'll
be in a Red China prison. Stupid Sheep. It's people like you that allow
communism to exist.
And oh, before I forget, Morrissey sucks.
Dannyboy, you managed to struggle conveying most of your message, then just
blew it at the end.
Wow. None of you seem to get it. The woman who stated that China is "hardly
communist" anymore is referring to the market economy that has emerged over the
last decade. She is making a valid point, albeit while ignoring a few other
very important issues.I have spent a fair amount of time in China and communism
is a little more complex that you all seem to think. And by the way, what ever
happened to intelligent discourse? Why are so many of you so hostile and
calling everyone a "commie?" I feel like I'm watching an episode of Jerry
Springer.
Morrissey is a great musician (again, that would be my opinion. You are all
welcome to disagree.)who happens to be entitled to his opinions as much as the
rest of us. I happen to agree with him: the US and UK are more free than most
countries but are definitely not as free as they like to think they are. I live
in the US and because I'm gay I can't get married or adopt a child. I can't
serve in the military or receive information about my partner when he was in
the hospital. In some states I can legally be kicked out of my home or fired
from my job because someone doesn't like the fact that I am gay.I thought all
human beings were created equal. Doesn't seem quite right does it?
So move to the country that has more freedom (bwwwaaaaahhhhh)<p> And shut the
hell up.
How exactly do we even know that its true that he was picked up and questioned
by anyone? Could he be engaging in self promotion?
What is not clear is the reason(s) the feds have investigated Morrissey.
Reporting the matter as merely a 'quiz' is somewhat misleading. A 'quiz' and
its responses are direct elements of the dossier. Please don't assume one
doesn't exist on Morrissey, rightly or wrongly. My view.
attila
Morrissey is looking pretty middle aged isn't he? Well, I think a whole lot
more people should be questioned about where exactly they are coming from. I
honestly think that people rant and rave and get carried away because no one
tells them to shut up, so they need a little guidance. I visited England on my
way home from Iraq and was surprised to see these people camped outside
Buckingham Palace (I think) protesting the war on terror and especially Iraq. I
think and hope they got interviewed also because they looked like the types
that would not take much encouragement to go suicide against the society. Saw
the same types in New York City, glad I live away from these types but it's
distressing to see people who don't try to take advantage of the great system
they live in other than to criticize it (self destructive if you ask me).
Morrissey is doing it for attention, the others are misguided and have not seen
much of the world, or they would be activists to improve the 90% rest of the
world that sorely needs improvement.
You’re so right about China; they have just about eliminated communism. Aside
from the fact that it’s still a communist state, state controlled economy, no
freedom of the press, people do not have any civil rights, and you can pretty
much be imprisoned and shot at the whelm of the government, I’d say they are
just about there. Maybe we should not refer to them as Red China but rather a
more pink-ish China.
So rite 'screen name: saintknowitall'.......
extreme control is commie gov!!!
You made me laff. U caught that chic/liberal good!!!
Just like Moz, liberalism devalues ur sences & lower's ur iq some. They canot
even see what a commie is!!!
way to go saintknowitall... I'm wit u.....
libs suck.......
Yeah, The Smiths were great and Morrissey was once the lyrical king..blah blah
blah.
He should be honored that he has enough influence to scare the governments that
let him "sing his life" in the first place.
I wonder if they asked him for his signature before they let him go. Heck, I'd
like to know how he feels about Johnny Marr these days.
I wonder if he remembers these lyrics:
London gitty London
home of the brash outrageous
and FREE.
Funny how politics can make hypocrits and idiots out of the best of them.
Morressey has alot to blite. He lives (by choise) in an secluded area where he
is protected. Then he has body gaurd who carry guns/tazzer's. I grew up
listening & playing he's music. But I grew up in my values. So does he needs.
He's a milliionare NOT a working class man. He worked hard & earned. Now, he
says =USA & BRit are not really democ's?>???????????
get a life Moz-
Not a communist country except for extreme control???!!!
What the heck??? I thought that is what communism was. That is the silliest
statement I believe I have ever heard.
so true- Morrissey needs to wake up eat some pork drink some good coffee & sing
to get millions of $$$ free society we are! He needs some waking up. King Leer
would dream of our societies. We are the proad & the free... America & Brit
rules....
Red China? Did you just refer to China as “Red China?” This isn’t 1970, friend.
We don’t call it “Red China” anymore, because in total honesty, China has just
about dissolved Communism save for the elements of extreme control.
And while yes, I agree with your little list-- many countries are less free
than the US and Britain. His point isn’t that Britain and the US are the most
controlling countries in the world, only that they are not as free as other
countries, or as free as they purport to be.
Don’t be a fool.
What an Idiot. The fact that he was quizzed by both governments to determine if
he was a threat and then released so he could continue to run at the mouth is a
perfect example of free countries. The obvious needs no proof, except for him.
He probably needs to have a second home in Libya,Myinmar,Cuba,Red China,Iran or
Syria,El Salvador or some other great places like these where everyone is free
to speak out against the ruling parties without fear of reprisal.
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